Please Welcome Senator Mike Gravel: Ending Marijuana Prohibition

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By: Jane Hamsher Friday August 13, 2010 11:29 am

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I got a chance to speak with Senator Mike Gravel at the Direct Democracy conference last week about ending marijuana prohibition, and his frank opinions were refreshing.

He’s also working to produce a new TV show, I Like Mike, based on the premise that he is now the President of the United States. A compelling premise, to say the least.

I do not know for the life of me how the discourse about violence on the US/Mexico border immediately devolves into a left-right debate about immigration. I invited Senator Gravel here today to talk about his thoughts on the subject.

The facts:

•Americans consume $113 billion worth of marijuana each year

•The US government says 1/2 half of that comes from overseas sources, which means it’s being smuggled in and enriching the Mexican drug cartels

•The Arizona shooting that triggered H.B. 1070 was related to marijuana smuggling, not people crossing the border to find jobs

•The battle between the Mexican drug cartels and the Mexican government have left 28,000 dead in the past 4 years

•The drug cartels are now so powerful that they have taken over local government and are collecting their own taxes in certain parts of the country

•70% of all drug cartel profits come from marijuana

•That money is being used to finance the war with the Mexican government, as well as the war on the border

•The Mexican government is spending so much money on the drug wars that it has no money to deal with its own unemployment problems, driving more people over the border in desperation

•The U.S. Joint Forces Command warned that the Mexican government could experience “a rapid and sudden collapse” due to drug cartel violence.

•The outgoing head of the CIA, Gen. Michael Hayden, warned that drug cartels “threaten … the well-being of the Mexican people and the Mexican state.”

•Former Mexican President Vicente Fox, member of the conservative PAN party, last week said “we should consider legalizing the production, sale and distribution of drugs” as a way to “weaken and break the economic system that allows cartels to earn huge profits…radical prohibition strategies have never worked.”

•Mexican President Felipe Calderone has reversed his previous stance and called for a debate on marijuana legalization, acknowledging that it’s US drug policy that is enriching the cartels, and if Mexico acts alone it would do little good.

•Last week, two Mexican cardinals have endorsed Calerone’s call for debating legalization

•Now a Mexican Archbishop has called for a debate on legalization

•The problem is not limited to the border — the drug cartels now have a presence in 230 cities across the US, up from 150 2 years ago

•Former Brazilian President Henrique Cardoso, former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, former Colombian President Cesar Gaviria have called for and end to “prohibitionist policies based on eradication, interdiction and criminalization of consumption” that are fueling violence across Latin America.

•Many police officers, including former Seattle police chief Norm Stamper, are now calling for an end to marijuana prohibition because they’re the ones who are having to deal with the well-funded drug violence in those US cities

•Militarizing the border and handing out $500 million in fat contracts to turn it into a war zone with drones and National Guard, as the Senate did yesterday, will do absolutely nothing to solve the underlying problem

•Neither Arizona’s S.B. 1070, Florida’s proposed anti-immigrant bill, nor repealing the 14th amendment will do anything about the underlying problem, either.
I can tell you from personal experience that there are many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle who would like to be able to speak as directly as Senator Gravel about ending prohibition as a way not only to deal with the problem of violence on the border but also the mounting immigration problem (well, maybe not quite as directly). But they’re all frightened of stepping into the middle of the culture wars.

Just as it is in Latin America with former elected officials opening the door for those in office to begin the debate, I appreciate Senator Gravel being here today to chat with people about the urgency of the subject.

Senator Gravel’s experience entering the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record and getting them to the Beacon Press also has relevance at the moment, given the situation surrounding Wikileaks. So I thought it would be another good reason to have him here.

Please welcome Senator Mike Gravel in the comments.

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79 Responses to “Please Welcome Senator Mike Gravel: Ending Marijuana Prohibition”
Gregg Levine August 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am 1Welcome Senator Gravel. Thank you for joining us today.

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egregious August 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am 2Welcome Sen. Gravel – so glad you could join us today!

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am 3Hello Senator Gravel thanks so much for coming by.

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 11:37 am 4Sen Gravel, when was it that you first thought the prohibition against marijuana should end?

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Gregg Levine August 13th, 2010 at 11:38 am 5Jane mentions that you have some frank views on marijuana legalization. When and how did you come to this position?

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oldnslow August 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am 6Welcome to The Lake Senator and thanks for taking time today.

Can you see a time when congress will admit the War On Drugs is an abysmal failure and a serious drain on our resources?

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Teddy Partridge August 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am 7Thank you for your service to Alaska and to America, Senator Gravel.

Do you think the Democratic establishment in California is wise to run from the legalization initiative? The party voted to be ‘neutral’ in the face of stiff opposition from candidates Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer, as well as the stern condemnation of She Who Hates Fun, Dianne Feinstein.

Thanks for joining us today, sir.

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DWBartoo August 13th, 2010 at 11:42 am 8Good day, Senator Gravel.

“Looking forward”, yes, really, to “hearing” your views.

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 11:50 am 9In response to Jon Walker @ 4
First off. Hello to all of you. I can’t remember when I first opposed prohibition. It was in the beginning of my senate career. Remember it was legalized by the state legislature in the early 1970s.

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dick c August 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am 10Good afternoon, Senator Gravel.

Nice video!

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 11:56 am 11In response to Teddy Partridge @ 7
I hope this level of political cowardice does not surprise you!

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 11:57 am 12Senator Gravel, What is it that makes you most opposed to marijuana prohibition? What one thing makes you think it is bad policy? for example is it a personal freedom/size of government thing, is it the racist enforcement, the huge cost of the drug war, the deaths in Mexico, etc..

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 11:57 am 13In response to dick c @ 10
Thank you. I just received scripts for some more, which we hope to shoot in NYC next week.

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horus6 August 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm 14Welcome to the camp i guess you all know why we’re here.

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dakine01 August 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm 15Good afternoon Senator and welcome.

Senator, I remember when Alaska first had legal marijuana for personal use (I forget the actual amounts) and it caused some of my friends to seriously consider moving up there.

When was the legalization of small amounts made illegal once again? Was it due to pressure from DeeCee and blackmail over federal fund availability?

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Phoenix Woman August 13th, 2010 at 12:01 pm 16In response to Mike Gravel @ 11
Welcome, Senator — and no, it does not. Even though in this case, fortune favors the bold.

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Gregg Levine August 13th, 2010 at 12:01 pm 17The president signed a ridiculous $600mil border security bill today, doing nothing to address either the causes of border violence or our out-dated and racist immigration structure. Many here observe that the Mexican drug wars are fueling the border problem, and our war on drugs has failed. Yet, as is noted by Jane, all our current electeds fear stepping into the culture wars. If you were still in the Senate, how would you go about building a coalition of sitting legislators that might actually pass meaningful drug and immigration reform?

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:04 pm 18In response to Jon Walker @ 12
All of the above. Freedom being number one. Isn’t it odd that the conservative prohibitionists shout freedom in their patriotic screeds while so easily denying it to others. It’s the same with the warmongers who come from the religious right. The war on drugs, homeland defense and the military industrial are all conflated.

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DWBartoo August 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pm 19In response to Mike Gravel @ 18
Do like how you think, Senator.

‘Though I would say, “military, industrial …CONGRESSIONAL complex …”

As Eisenhower originally had it.

;~DW

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onitgoes August 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm 20Welcome Senator. As one who lives part-time in southern CA, I can say without hesitation that situation in Mexico is dire, almost beyond belief. Those that live far away have been lied to by some, like the rightwing in AZ, who would make believe that many of problems are caused by undocumented workers coming across the border for jobs.

That is simply not the case. I’m sure that Vicente Fox didn’t come to his decision to call for considering the legalization of many drugs quickly, rashly or easily. There are serious problems with the drug cartel war in Mexico that has grave implications for this country.

AZ SB1020 is a foolish, unwise waste of money and public safety officers’ time. The CA initiative to legalize marijauna is a small step towards sanity. I wish you well in anything you can do to inject some sanity and sense of balance in this important issue.

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm 21On a side topic I know you are famous for the pentagon papers and I have heard comparisons to the recent wikileaks release of documents on Afghanistan. What are your thoughts on the matter?

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:09 pm 22In response to dakine01 @ 15
In the early eighties and DC pressure in the late 70ies. It was a local affair, when a group of Alaska hippies got elected to the state legislature.

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:09 pm 23In response to DWBartoo @ 19
correct

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Ann in AZ August 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm 24In response to onitgoes @ 20
My understanding is that there will be an initiative to legalize medical marijuana in AZ on the ballot this fall also. It’s passed here before.

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 12:13 pm 25Senator Gravel. you have probably noticed that Prop 19 California is getting a lot of coverage. If it passes when do you think we might finally see some marijuana law reform at the federal level, 5 years, 10 years etc…

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Jane Hamsher August 13th, 2010 at 12:15 pm 26Senator Gravel, thanks so much for being here. Do you hear from current members of Congress that they want to act on this issue but feel like they can’t? That’s been my experience. What do you think can open up some space for them to help them feel like it’s a chance they can take?

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Margaret August 13th, 2010 at 12:15 pm 27Welcome Senator Gravel. If I’d had my way, you would be in the White House now, instead of the guy who was next to dead last on my list. I hope that you will consider challenging President Obama from the left in 2012. Lord knows there’s plenty of room there.

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Ann in AZ August 13th, 2010 at 12:17 pm 28In response to Ann in AZ @ 24
Btw, Senator, I really loved you during the campaign for President. Thought you made some really good points that needed to be made. Turns out, you seem to have hit the nail on the head about most everything. The fellow running with you who succeeded in pursuit of higher office has been a great disappointment. Do you think he was lying all along or that he just succumbed to the pressures after he got into the oval office?

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:20 pm 29In response to Jon Walker @ 21
Wikileaks is doing for the Afghan/Iraq wars what the Pentagon Papers did for the Vietnam war. I have offered to the legal team being assembled to defend Private Manning to testify at his court marshal as his classification expert. I was a top secret control officer (I was 23) as the Adjutant of the Communications Intelligence Service in Germany and France. I was lucky to be assigned to Europe rather than Korea during the war.

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 12:24 pm 30As an Alaskan if Prop 19 passes in California do you think there is a good chance Alaskans will pass a similar full Marijuana legalization, regulation, and taxation ballot initiative in 2012 or 2014?

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:25 pm 31In response to Jon Walker @ 25
Once it is passed in California it will move fast around the country. Judging by the opinions of South American leaders and the successful experiences in Europe, we could be cresting toward a sea change.

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azhealer August 13th, 2010 at 12:25 pm 32Senator Gravel-

What will be the federal government’s response if Prop 19 passes?

What should be the federal government’s response?

How will the courts decide if the law is challenged on grounds that it is in direct conflict with a federal law making marijuana illegal?

On what grounds will the state defend itself?

thank you

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Elliott August 13th, 2010 at 12:26 pm 33In response to Mike Gravel @ 29
wonderful!

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 12:27 pm 34In response to azhealer @ 32
some interesting questions.

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Phoenix Woman August 13th, 2010 at 12:30 pm 35In response to Mike Gravel @ 29
That’s excellent news, Senator. Can you elaborate on this?

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 12:30 pm 36I’m sure you know as a former member of Congress there is probably way more than the handful of members of Congress that publicly support ending marijuana prohibition, but are afraid to talk about or think it is bad politics.

Do you think the passage of Prop 19 or the call for legalization by the former president of Mexico could result in dozens of more congress members start publicly talking about marijuana legalization?

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HarryWaisbren August 13th, 2010 at 12:30 pm 37Thanks for answering questions, Senator Gravel!

I’m particularly impressed with your media-centric strategy of starting a TV show to bring your views into the discourse. How do you see media—and web-video in particular—impacting this and so many other debates?

This will become increasingly relevant as Google and Apple TV sets hit the market, and opportunities for shows like your own (and hopefully FDL programming) receive a much leveler playing field for competing with the stale, culture-war dominated mainstream media coverage.

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SmileySam August 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pm 38Welcome Senator,
We hear a lot about the damage done by the Mexican Cartels not to mention all the money we send them but I’m wondering why we never hear about the Canadians and all that BC Bud we import every yrs. The quote below was recently in the Guardian.

This November, in an effort to increase tax revenue, California will hold a referendum on whether or not to legalize the cultivation and use of marijuana. If passed, the change in law would be devastating to the Canadian economy, halting the flow of billions of dollars from the US into Canada and eventually forcing hundreds of thousands into unemployment.

Over the past 20 years, Canada has developed a substantial and highly profitable marijuana industry that is almost completely dependent on the US market. Between 60 and 90% of the marijuana produced domestically is exported to the US via cross-border smuggling operations. It’s exactly like the alcohol prohibition of the 1920s, only far more sophisticated and more profitable. The establishment of a legal industry based in the US would likely cripple these exports overnight.

Canada has a 20 Billion Dollar a yr Pot Industry that is totally dependent on the US and our loose borders.
Why is it Senator we never hear about those Criminal in Canada ? Must be their skin color heh ?
For more on Canada http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2010/aug/12/if_we_legalize_marijuana...

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Kathryn in MA August 13th, 2010 at 12:37 pm 39Welcome, Senator Gravel!
(i just arrived, so i need to catch up on the discussion, be right back.)

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:37 pm 40In response to Jon Walker @ 30
I’m no longer an Alaskan. The state is controlled by republicans and is much to conservative for my taste.

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Ann in AZ August 13th, 2010 at 12:39 pm 41In response to Mike Gravel @ 40
So where are you now? CA? OR?

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Margaret August 13th, 2010 at 12:40 pm 42In response to Mike Gravel @ 40
I’m no longer an Alaskan. The state is controlled by republicans and is much to conservative for my taste.

A man after my heart. :)

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Ann in AZ August 13th, 2010 at 12:42 pm 43In response to Mike Gravel @ 40
Did I mention we need you AZ?

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Kathryn in MA August 13th, 2010 at 12:43 pm 44In response to Mike Gravel @ 29
Excellent! I hope they take you up on your offer – freedom of speech, an inalienable right.
Just as smoking cannabis is an inalienable right.

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:44 pm 45In response to Jane Hamsher @ 26
I have little or no contact with Congress except Sam Farr who’s too political to touch the subject publicly. A win in California would upset everything and perhaps start a national change and give politician some room.

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 12:49 pm 46In response to Mike Gravel @ 45
We can only hope so. Not only it passing in California in this year but it getting put on the ballot in several states in 2012.

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:49 pm 47In response to azhealer @ 32
I am not an attorney. Once it’s passed it will depend on who is governor and what Obama will do. If the California delegation, the largest in Congress were to support the people’s decision it might affect federal reaction and Obama’s reaction prior to reelection effort. CA is an important state for him

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AitchD August 13th, 2010 at 12:50 pm 48Senator Gravel, if this blog appearance of yours makes national news, do you think it likely that the reporter or pundits will mention your having aligned yourself recently with the Libertarian Party?

(Doubly hypothetical question, so you can respectfully ignore it.)

Thank you for your wonderful service, and for being here.

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Kathryn in MA August 13th, 2010 at 12:51 pm 49Wow! Love the new TV show! We need something to show how things could be now that West Wing is no more.

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 12:52 pm 50In response to Mike Gravel @ 47
I personally don’t think he would want to piss off young people he needs in 2012 by going all federal storm trooper on California. On the other hand he has a bit of sickness trying to tack right. I fear he could do what Clinton did after medical marijuana passed.

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:52 pm 51In response to Ann in AZ @ 41
I am a resident of Virginia and live in Arlington. We hope to move to Burlingame CA within the years, to be close to the grandchildren. Success with my TV show will accelerate the move.

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Michael Kwiatkowski August 13th, 2010 at 12:52 pm 52Greetings, Senator Gravel! Are you planning on running for president again in 2012? And how vindicated do you feel in your prediction from 2008 that Obama would create a whole new generation of cynics because he couldn’t deliver on the promises he made? Because it seems your prediction has been truer than many people thought possible.

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azhealer August 13th, 2010 at 12:55 pm 53Senator-

let me try my questions (at #32) another way — what happens the day after we do the equivalent of “kicking Saddam out”?

I have yet to get even the simplest answer to my questions from any supporter of Prop 19.

There will be consequences — do we not have a moral obligation to have thought through and openly discuss what the ramifications might be?

thank you

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 12:57 pm 54In response to Kathryn in MA @ 49
The I like Mike show is a cross between West Wing and the Office. We just opened our website: ILikemikeTV.com

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Jane Hamsher August 13th, 2010 at 12:59 pm 55Thank you so much Senator Gravel for being here. We really appreciate you being here. Thanks for having the courage to say what so many others should be saying regarding ending marijuana prohibition.

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 1:00 pm 56In response to Michael Kwiatkowski @ 52
Sadly vindication is no comfort. I would prefer to be wrong about Obama. But follow the money is the case. I have no comment about running again.

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azhealer August 13th, 2010 at 1:02 pm 57In response to Jane Hamsher @ 55
Jane- would you take a shot at #32 and #53?

It would really help when I am out talking this up.

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Michael Kwiatkowski August 13th, 2010 at 1:03 pm 58In response to Mike Gravel @ 56
I understand, and I didn’t mean to suggest that you should take comfort in it. My apologies if it seemed so.

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Michael Kwiatkowski August 13th, 2010 at 1:03 pm 59In response to azhealer @ 57
Patience. I’m sure he’ll get to it.

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UnkaWillbur August 13th, 2010 at 1:04 pm 60Just a quick comment:

I can tell you from personal experience that there are many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle who would like to be able to speak as directly as Senator Gravel about ending prohibition as a way not only to deal with the problem of violence on the border but also the mounting immigration problem (well, maybe not quite as directly). But they’re all frightened of stepping into the middle of the culture wars.

Then they should step aside and make room for someone who isn’t a moral coward, and folks should openly encourage them to do so.

That is all. Thank you.

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afterthought August 13th, 2010 at 1:05 pm 61Ron Paul without all the crazy stuff!

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Jon Walker August 13th, 2010 at 1:05 pm 62In response to UnkaWillbur @ 60
hahaha

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 1:12 pm 63In response to azhealer @ 53
Yes! My hope is that it will trigger the change we need nationally. Success in CA should be followed by a major push in the states that will have it on the ballot in 12. The presidential race may well help. I tried to make it an issue in several debates; I won the Howard University debate on that issue.

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Mike Gravel August 13th, 2010 at 1:16 pm 64Sorry but I have to leave. I will check the questions later and offer comment then. Thank you all for your good work. mike

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spocko August 13th, 2010 at 1:16 pm 65Senator:
I’m alway interested in who is doing the behind the scenes lobbying for and against Certain ideas.

Who (name names please) is specifically pushing against legalization of marijuana? And, just to “win the morning” (tm Politico) share with us a juicy tidbit about these Anti-legalization Lobbyists you have seen smoking pot or who shared stories about their private views while lobbying against Legalization.

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egregious August 13th, 2010 at 1:17 pm 66Thanks so much, Senator Gravel!

Please feel free to come back any time within the next 48 hours to respond to questions and comments.

We’re glad you stopped by today for the chat.

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ratfood August 13th, 2010 at 1:18 pm 67Just watched the I Like Mike video. Terrific!

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Ann in AZ August 13th, 2010 at 1:22 pm 68In response to Mike Gravel @ 54
I just watched your video of the TV show. Loved it! I’m alone here, but I laughed out loud; good thing I wasn’t drinking anything, or my keyboards would be ruined!!! Gotta see it, and tell all my friends and relatives. Thanks for doing it. Should be a kick.

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Margaret August 13th, 2010 at 1:26 pm 69Thank you for being here and answering questions Senator.

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spocko August 13th, 2010 at 1:28 pm 70Darn it! I took too long to write my question- stupid touch screen typing!

I’d like to recommend the Senator consider my suggestion and threaten to do it so that he gets panicky calls which he can then use to suggest they modify their public views. Does that sound like blackmail? Heavens No! It’s just about transparency! Surely they don’t expect things done on behalf of the people behind closed doors to remain private!

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AitchD August 13th, 2010 at 1:35 pm 71In response to spocko @ 70
Yo, spocko! The Senator is ‘on record’ here for ‘promising’ to read all the questions later and leave comments. See his reply @64.

You’re in luck!

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JamesJoyce August 13th, 2010 at 1:41 pm 72Theo and his “Big Stick Policy.”

“Buford Pusser and his stick” “One tough nut!”
http://www.sheriffbufordpusser.com/history.htm

Gravel’s fly swatting meatloaf bashing bat?

Great Video…….. Protect the corporations? Protect Slave-owners?

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EdwardTeller August 13th, 2010 at 2:06 pm 73Mike,

Thanks for coming to firedoglake. The insanity of the war on drugs needs to be dealt with one state at a time, until the tipping point is reached.

This is off topic, but could you say a few kind words here about Ted Stevens. I’m an Alaskan who fought hard to get Mark Begich elected, but admired many things about Ted Stevens, as I have admired you for 38 years.

(real name – Phil Munger)

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bmull August 13th, 2010 at 2:13 pm 74Great post Jane.

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BooRadley August 13th, 2010 at 2:27 pm 75Senator Gravel, thank you for coming.

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Leen August 13th, 2010 at 6:37 pm 76Sorry I missed. Can’t wait to read through the comments

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Leen August 13th, 2010 at 6:43 pm 77In response to Mike Gravel @ 64
Please address mandatory minimum sentencing passed during the 80’s. I believe with Dems support. Have had friends who have done time for growing ( 6 years), broke up their family, etc. My friend did more time than Bush or Cheney and team will ever do for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, injured and millions displaced.

Address this absurd and insane thing we call a justice system

Also do you believe through legalization more research will be done on the real health effects of long term marijuana use both negative and positive?

Do you think legalization will mean more control of use by children under the age of 18? And fact based education programs?

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Leen August 13th, 2010 at 6:46 pm 78In response to Mike Gravel @ 29
Thank you. Manning is a brave and moral y0ung man. Thank you for helping his defense

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Leen August 13th, 2010 at 6:52 pm 79In response to Ann in AZ @ 28
Gravel went after Clinton during the debates

This is the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLepLeJEWpE

“If it stops the killing my God yes do it”
“There was a vote in the Senate today” War with Iran

“I’m ashamed of you Hillary for voting for it” Biden and Dodd voted against this legislation. Gravel nailed it. Hillary repeated her pledge of allegiance to Israel here

Hillary does that horrid cackling laugh

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